I'm guessing the issue comes from the update for the vanilla HUD as the HTS stats from darnUI still show and you get a duplicated grenage icon in the AP bar. In the update 2.0 a few new things were added but if you download v1.0 (and the v1.2 + v1.3 updates) it fixes the problem. I had this on my old pc a few years ago without any problems, but have had the same issue when trying to get my my new load set up right. Thanks for the info Castillo, it's not a case of too many mods.